Not that France is that much better but at least while Chirac is making stupid one sided comments on the situation in Lebanon, putting the entire blame on Israel and failing to sufficiently acknowledge the role played by the spineless Lebanese Government, Hezbollah terrorists, Syria and Iran, he doesn’t don a Kaffiyah and smile to the cameras – which, in case you don’t get it, is exactly what Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez “I Cave in to Terrorists” Zapatero did the other day at some stupid event in stupid Spain.
Check out what this dipshit world leader said: “No one should defend themselves with abusive force which does not protect innocent human beings.” Yes. No “abusive force.” Even if it means that your own sovereignty has been violated and your own innocent civilians have to suffer in bomb shelters under a barrage of indiscriminately fired Katyusha rockets. I mean Jose Luis – you don’t know abusive. If the IAF wanted to, they could turn all of Lebanon into a parking lot.
But what ought one expect of a spineless coward who pulled his troops from Iraq after terrorists bombed trains in Spain? What ought one expect from a man who, despite his left wing cred, claims to understand the Nazi hatred of the Jews?
Well whatever. I urge you all to contemplate this prior to purchasing your next bottle of Spanish wine, or Spanish citrus fruit or when you plan your next trip to Barcelona or Ibiza. In the meantime, things are still totally fine in Jerusalem.
Just sayin’
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david smith may or may not be intelligent. That;s not really at issue here. I just want to make sure that people can distinguish between Jewlicious posters and Jewlicious commenters. I hope he’s been set straight this time and the distinction is now clear to him.
David Smith seems pretty intelligent to me.
Anyway, where did Shy Guy go? Not that I miss him…
The people david smith mentioned, like ephraim, ben-daved, shy guy, steves rick (aka jobber) etc are actually some of the commentors that jewlicious “staff” have gotten into the longest and most contentious arguments with. That’s on the record and all over this site.
Given that, I really don’t know what point Mr. Smith here is trying to make, but I sense it’s not a very good one.
Perhaps he would prefer we censor opinions we don’t agree with.
We have thousands of visitors every week and I’m fairly certain they don’t come back for the comments shy guy writes but for the editorial content the 8 of us provide.
I doubt any reasonably intelligent person would look at the commentors we argue with the most and somehow conclude that, despite the opposing position, they represent what we print on the front page. But hey, I guess you’d have to be reasonably intelligent to figure that out.
Yeah. Thanks TM.
Come on ck, you forgot that we also attack Orthodox rabbis like Ovadia Yosef. That was my shabbat present to you, by the way.
david smith: OK there sarcasm boy, take it easy. Your sarcasm is misplaced. We’ve blasted settlers for the whole Orange star of David thing, and we’ve blasted everyone from the head of the reform movement to Sheri Dew of the Church of Latter Day Saints who performed the opening invocation at the RNC for their use of spurious Nazi/Hitler analogies. Furthermore, it is safe to say that all Jewlicious contributors view with disdain any sort of blood lust and killing of innoccent civilians.
I don’t know, maybe you had the impression that Jewlicious is some kind of mostly Kahanist enterprise or something. If you did, you’d be mistaken. We mostly do not edit comments and allow anyone to say whatever they like, even if what they’re saying is vile and offensive or even simply ignorant, presumptuous and uninformed.
ck.
Oh, ok. So the post you cite coincidentally condemns another instance in which Jews are referred to as Nazis. And the reason the above-referenced comments by such “dimwits” as streimel, shy guy, steves rick and ephraim provoked barely a word of objection is not because they reflect the generally held views of those at Jewlicious, but because virtually everyone here has simply tired of repeatedly telling them how extraordinarily “stupid” and “idiotic” their views are. In other words, the “obvious disdain” in which those comments are held is so overwhelming and evident that it simply goes without saying.
Thanks for clearing that up; I don’t know how I could have doubted your sincerity.
Wow david smith. Search the site and you’ll find many occasions whereby several of us have taken umbrage with the innappropriate use of Nazi terminology, imagery or acts. I personally don’t feel the need to reproach every single dimwit who makes idiotic comments on our site. We all have day jobs you know. Besides sometimes really stupid comments are prima facie stupid and don’t even merit a response. That’s called “feeding the trolls”, and whether it’s a white power racist, a pro hezbollah potty mouth, or a “JewNazi” with an overactive pituitary gland, we have all expressed our obvious disdain for their offensive notions enough times that we don’t always feel the need to immediately reproach them. I did a quick search by the way, and here’s a post I wrote that proves my point.
It’s titled “Asshole.”
And no. That choice of post wasn’t me being ironic at all.
🙂
ck,
Maybe you picked up on the hint that I was using “JewNazi†sarcastically by the fact that I coined the term in direct response to Ephraim’s odious use of “Islamonazis.†Or perhaps what tipped it off is the fact of my constant excoriation those sleazy hacks who desecrate the memory of every victim of the Holocaust by indulging themselves in such self-serving, disgusting slurs. In other words, my use of JewNazi was a rather blindingly obvious use of something known as “irony.†But, of course, you were already fully aware of that fact, weren’t you?
You further state that “one needn’t be intelligent to understand that one thing we all intensely dislike is inappropriate use of nazi as an adjective.â€
Well, maybe not intelligent, but one does, apparently, need to be clairvoyant. Specifically, if the use of gratuitous Nazi references inspires such loathing and indignation among the decorous Jewlicious crowd – if “two wrongs don’t make a right†– I can’t help but wonder: where were all the comments condemning the first wrong, i.e., Ephraim’s “Islamonazi†reference to which I was responding in the first place? Oh well, I’m sure it was sheer coincidence, that you were about to post such a comment expressing your revulsion any minute, but were only prevented from doing by some last-moment distraction.
I’m even more perplexed by your offense at my use of the “cherry-picked†comments I excerpted, all of which you dismiss as “idiotic.†First of all, “cherry-picked†suggests that the views reflected in these comments were inconsistent with those of the typical Jewlicious reader. In fact, not only was there nothing random or aberrant about these comments, but they are absolutely faithful to the views of a large portion – if not a substantial majority – of Jewlicious readers. That is made clear by even a superficial review of the posts from which these comments were drawn. Additionally, if these comments are so “idiotic,†where are all the responses condemning the savagery, the mind-numbing ignorance, and the consuming hatred of those who submitted them? Perhaps there’s something wrong with the Jewlicious archiving function, or maybe a problem with my computer, because I didn’t come across a single such response. Indeed, while any opposition to Israeli policy generally elicits immediate and scathing hostility from Jewlicious readers, the illustrations of repellent hate speech I cited provoke nothing – with the notable and isolated exception of The Middle – but an ocean of silence. In short, referencing these comments doesn’t have a damn thing to do with “cherry-picking,†but with “accountability,†a concept with which those at Jewlicious would be well advised to become a great deal more familiar.
Liberty, not only is Spanish wine really good, so are Spanish food and Spanish beaches. And San Sebastian is a jewel of a city.
As a Spaniard, I can only say this guy is lots of shit. If it does any good, he’s insulted Israesl a couple times, but he insults half the Spanish citicens 10 times a day. He’s ultra-left wing crap, an anti-American, anti-Jewish, antiliberal psycho. And he’s spent the last two years telling the 1000 victims of terrorist group ETA in Spain that they’ve already complained too much. Shitty thing. (Spanish wine is really good, though)
david smith,
Thanks again for demonstrating how two wrongs don’t make a right. Hanging out at Jewlicious, one needn’t be intelligent to understand that one thing we all intensely dislike is innappropriate use of nazi as an adjective. That applies equally to your use of the offensive nomenclature “JewNazi” as well as to those cherry picked Jewlicious comments you cited – similar to the kind you’d find in the comments section of Web sites as diverse as Little Green Footballs, Jewschool, Haaretz and Jerusalem Post. All those comments are idiotic. Any use of Nazi or Fascist that doesn’t describe actual Nazis or Fascists (both very specific terms with specific definitions) is ignorant and offensive. I’ll assume your use of JewNazi was sarcastic.
Ephraim:
Thanks for a fascinating observation; though completely irrelevant, it reveals much of what makes so much of the Jewish Right a rancid cesspool of ignorance, paranoia and hatred. The 98% figure never involved representations as to who was right, but was offered to demonstrate that Spain was being singled out as some bastion of Nazi-sympathizing Jew-haters, based on nothing more than its conformity with political positions embraced by virtually the entirety of the rest of the world. But, as indicated by your comment, such accusations are absolutely typical, aren’t they? After all, I must “want to support the Islamonazis†if I dare reject the use of rank propaganda in support of baseless accusations of anti-Semitism.
Equally fascinating is your attribution of the term “Islamonazis,†or Nazis in Muslim clothing, to those who want to extirpate the Jewish residents of Israel. As long as we’re relying on that definition, however, then we really have to those Jewish members of the Party who call for the extirpation of Arab civilians, don’t we? JewNazis, in other words.
Here’s a small sample of recent excerpts from those JewNazis who feel entirely at home here on Jewlicious:
“I love the smell of napalm in the morning… smells like, VICTORY†– I too had the “wishful thinking†of a B-52 assult of carpet bombing.
Comment by Mar Shed — 7/17/2006 @ 5:16 pm
a few B-52 sorties, carpet bombing the area may help soften up the area for a ground invasion. Other than that, the losses to our troops would be HUGE. Can we stomache it? I doubt it.
Comment by shtreimel — 7/16/2006 @ 12:09 pm
Wait for a really hot, windy day in Tehran. First, bunker bust their water system to ensure that the mains run dry. Then, open up the natural gas mains with the next run of sorties, and to top it off, drop fuel-air explosive bombs and incendiary explosives in concentric circles around their capital until the entire city of over 10 million burns to the ground.
Comment by Nathan — 7/20/2006 @ 9:13 am
I am deeply embarrassed by the Israeli so called tough response. They are appeared as spineless weak, and allowing the Hizbollah to continue their cowardly missle shootings. Reduce them to rubble, now. Syria, Iran, and Lebanon. This is all that their animal brains truly comprehend.
Comment by Steves Rock — 7/23/2006 @ 4:11 pm
I don’t get you guys in Israel…why not just level the whole of Gaza? are you worried about the international press?, or what the Europeans might think … don’t think so… go for it guys…
Comment by Marvin Lesman — 7/3/2006 @ 9:45 am
not so many words needed : kill them all, turn off the water, turn off the power, and start shooting.
Comment by Nathan Tableman — 6/25/2006 @ 8:57 am
Or, carpet bomb Khan Yunis. Turn it into a smoking crater. Tell them they have 24 hours to completely give up any and all belief in “Armed Struggle†or we’ll do the same thing to the next town, chosen at random.
Comment by Litvshe — 6/26/2006 @ 6:31 am
From minute 1, cut off all utility services. Drop flyers on the northern 3rd of Gaza that if the captured soldier and civilian are not returned within 1 hour, the area will be flattened by bombing, ground troops will capture the area, it will be declared as permanent integral lands of the State of Israel and they have another day to think about the next 3rd of Gaza.
Comment by Shy Guy — 6/28/2006 @ 4:43 am
And then, of course, there are the charming observations that identify you as one of the leading lights of the JewNazi Party:
A reoccupation isn’t necessary. But a good thorough bombing, followed by an invasion designed to kill as many terrorists as possible, is. Go in, kill as many terrorists as possible, leave. Lather, rinse, repeat. As many times as it takes. Cutting off water and power is a good start.â€
Comment by Ephraim — 6/26/2006 @ 12:54 pm
If you cannot even get it up to raise the black flag and cut a few throats (as H.L Menken would say) when they fucking invade your country and capture one of your soldiers, then you might as well just grab your ankles and say “Go ahead, I don’t need any lube†because you are, after all, their bitch.
Comment by Ephraim — 6/28/2006 @ 12:02 pm
What makes the JewNazis really special is not their insistent call for mass murder and ethnic cleansing, but the simultaneous belief that that they are victims of persecution and only wish to live in peace with their neighbors.
You may well deem this topic a waste of time, but I think it is of keen interest to those members of world Jewry that reject your plan to have Israel commit national suicide in order to establish of a petty Biblical empire in the West Bank.
I am spanish, and I really feel ashamed for my country goverment. We are much more people supporting Israel than those who blame Israel.
Visit our site: http://www.gatocabreado.org
I’m sorry it is in spanish, but we are blaming Zapatero (our stupid presindent) and he’s goverment.
In other words, Josh, you can’t answer my previous comment and then instead of talking about Israel’s propaganda which you suggest in your first sentence, you proceed to give us some more of your own.
You have convinced me!
If you want to talk about propaganda then lets talk about Israels. No country and no lobby more than Israel’s has used propaganda in the US so effectively and for so long. Americans have been led to believe that everything Arabs do and are is wasteful, violent, fanatical and anti-Semitic.
Israeli policy is the source of the Middle East conflict. It is ignorant and immoral to blame the conflict on Hamas and Hezbollah. These organizations were created by Israeli aggression. Lacking American jet fighters, tanks, ordinance, and resupply, these organizations resort to terror, which is the only weapon that they have. Otherwise, the world would pay no attention as Arabs are ground under by Israeli expansion.
Wow Josh, did you bring out the propaganda manual this afternoon? Here’s an interesting exercise for you, why don’t you tell us the percentage of the 4000 dead Palestinians who were combatants and the percentage of the 1000 dead Israelis who were. In the same way these stats reveal so much more about these numbers, I’m afraid the remainder of your list is no less confusing.
Here are a few facts regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that should open up everyone’s eyes
Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed Since September 29, 2000
121 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 734 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
Israelis and Palestinians Killed Since September 29, 2000
1,084 Israelis and 4,020 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.
Israelis and Palestinians Injured Since September 29, 2000
7,633 Israelis and 30,281 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.
Daily U.S. Assistance to Israel and the Palestinians
The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.
UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and the Palestinians
Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
Political Prisoners and Detainees
1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 9,599 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.
Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian Homes
0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.
Israeli and Palestinian Unemployment Rates
The Israeli unemployment rate is 8.9%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 25-31%.
New Settlements Built (March 2001 – July 2003)
60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
PGC:
Thanks for your kind words of support.
David Smith:
It is of no importance whatsoever that “about 98% of the countries on the planet” think Israel is wrong. The Torah says “do not follow a multitude to do evil”. Rightness and wrongness have nothing whatsoever to do with percentages. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
Israel has a right to exist, and it is being attacked by people who deny that right and who are committed to the destruction of Israel by amred force and the murder or extirpation of those Jews who live there now. They are, in short, Nazis in Muslim clothing.
Israel has every right and every duty to resist them. It is a shame that Hizb’allah has decided to make Lebanon pay for its attempts at genocide. This is very sad indeed. However, this is entirely the fault of Hizb’allah, not of Israel, its intended victim.
Nazis are always wrong, regardless of how many people support them. But if you want to support the Islamonazis anyway, go right ahead. But stop wasting our time with the “98% of the world’s population think the world is flat, therefore it is” crapola, OK?
Hola PGC!
It ought to go without saying that I do not hate people from Spain! I even enjoyed Blindness by Jose Saramago. He’s a great writer but a terrible political thinker – and while he lives in Spain, he is actually Portugese. But yes, thank you for your kind words. Hopefully, this war will be over soon and none of this will be an issue.
I,m spaniard, and many of us feel shame for the our Prime Minister and our Goverment attitude towards Israel. MAny of us understand the dramatic situation of a country fighted just from those territories that has leaved, Gaza and Lebanon.
And, yes, it´s true that many people in Spain only have eyes for the arab pains, but not for the israeli ones. Notwithstanding, these days I have been wearing a t-shirt that claims “Israel, since 1948”, with a David star at the center of it. Well.. I have not feel fear at all.
About a comparison about France and Spain,… well, not. I mean, The jews were thrown off Sefarad in 1492. Since then, there are not jews in Spain, but a few in Malaga, MAdrid or BArcelona. Or Melilla and Ceuta, of courde. The most of people know the jews by tv, or Israel by tv news. And I think that the main problem with jews and israeli people in spain is due to ignorance. For instance: last year I told a job partner that I considered myself a zionist, in the sense that I support Israel right to existence and jew people to have a State. She was surprised: “but you are not a religious person, and zionists are religious fanatics”. It took more than two hours explaining her that zionist movement was not a religious one. The worst was that this girl has studied in University. Don’t want to know about people with low academic grade. And that is, in my opinion, the main problem.
In Spain, when you name Israel, the most of people only thinks about war, and in saomething close to a Gaza landscape. They don’t imagine, say, Whit Town Tel Aviv, o the Haifa Institue of Technology. You have to teach all the time that arab people has right to vote, or that Israel is not like an appartheid, with bus chairs for white people while black people stand by foot.
Then, there is Saramgo, who lives in Spain (Lanzarote Island) and has an enormous prestige here. He said that israli people is doing the same that germans did to jews. And many people in Spain repeat that althought they don’t know what they are sayng. And, of course, they don’t know that it is false at all.
Yes, sometimes I feel shame about many spaniards atrtitude toward Israel. But you have good friends here too who is working hard to make people understand another perspective.
Am Israel chai. Un abrazo.
*sigh* Oh david smith… what crawled into your butt and died today? I’m sitting here with missiles falling all over my countrymen and then I am treated to the sight of that grinning idiot with his stupid kaffiyeh. Fuck him and fuck anyone who thinks Israel’s response is “abusive.” And again, this applies whether or not the fucktard in question is indeed an anti-semite or simply a complete idiot. I hope that clarifies things for you a bit Mr. smith.
ck,
So, the “anti-Semitism angle†has nothing to do with the “gist†of your post? Then I guess the reason Spain sucks and you’re advocating that we boycott the country is that its prime minister had the nerve to pull his troops out of Iraq, and characterize Israel’s response in Lebanon as “abusive.†In other words, he embraced positions identical to those espoused by about 98% of the countries on the planet.
Let’s imagine for a moment that someone posted a story claiming that Olmert was overheard saying he was looking forward to invading Lebanon because he just loves killing as many sand-niggers as humanly possible. And when it turns out there’s no evidence that Olmert ever said any such thing, the poster simply explained that the “sand-niggers†comment was really beside the point, but that Israel sucks anyway because of the Occupation. One can only imagine the deafening squeals of “bias†and “anti-Semitism†that would ensue.
Something about this post does, indeed, suck. And it isn’t Spain.
Meantime, we’re all missing out on a great t-shirt opportunity, along the lines of “Team Aniston” and “Team Jolie”–“I negotiate with terrorists” and “I don’t negotiate with terrorists.”
This article is not very right.. You do not know or it does not seem to know that Zapatero promised to leave the war of Iraq after manifestations in all the country. It does not know or it does not seem to know that kufiya put it less than 30 seconds “hooligans”, etc..
And something will be making bad: http://www.escolar.net/MT/archives/independent-portada.jpg
Greetings from Spain
david smith: the gist of the post still stands even without the whole anti-semitism angle. Thank you for your opinion on one sentence of the post.
Spain nonetheless continues to suck.
It Looks like David Smith\’s comment is dead on – see: http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/740965.html
Mr. Smith, we are in complete agreement. I saw this story earlier on Ynet and promptly ignored it because it was both substanceless and evidence-less. I also agree that there is no cause for equating anti-Israel sentiments in this case with anti-semitism. It does look bad. Ynet should be ashamed for putting this out there.
One hell of a story; Jews should boycott Spain because not only is the prime minister of Spain is a vicious anti-Semite, but the Jewish community of Spain is immediate physical danger and is on the verge of fleeing the country. How do we know? Well, a Y-net story tells us so. Here are a couple of excerpts.
The first signal came on Monday, 5 December when during a dinner. . .Zapatero and wife began,. . . . “a tirade of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism”. . . . explaining his lack of surprise about the Holocaust: according to the people present, Zapatero claimed to understand the Nazis. . . . a cover for what it was long known in Spanish politics: His hate towards Israel, Jews and Zionism.
Really intriguing; the prime minister of Spain and his wife promiscuously spew rabid hatred of Jews and Israel at a dinner party, sympathizing with the Nazi’s and expressing tacit approval of the Holocaust. And how did their seething Jew-hatred express itself? Who were the “people present†at this public spectacle of verbal incontinence? Oh, well, that’s not really all that important is it, cause you can hardly squeeze everything into a single story, can you? I guess we just have to assume it was really, really bad.
nobody expected such a virulent explosion of anti-Semitism in Spain, not even under a Leftist government.
I bet they didn’t. And what form did that “virulent explosion†look like? kristallnacht, kielce, leo frank, crown heights? Well, that’s not really important either, is it? I guess we just have to use our imaginations.
Kind of makes you wonder what could possibly give traction to the increasingly widespread claim that the consequence of criticizing Israel is being smeared with baseless accusations of anti-Semitism? Could it be the fact that sleazy hacks are willing to pimp accusations of Jew-hatred at the drop of a hat and without a shred of evidence in order to further whatever cheap, self-serving political objectives come to mind. Next month, perhaps Y-net could put together a list of all those anti-Semitic customers that failed to meet last month’s quota of ad pages.
This is nothing more than the filthy propaganda of cheap hacks whose dishonesty and lack of journalistic integrity is only surpassed by their arrogance in believing anyone could actually be deceived by this transparent bullshit.
Israeli wine and citrus are better anyway.
Spain Out of Morrocco!
Zapatero, Tear Down That Wall!
Free Al Andalus From Spanish Oppression!
Just sayin.’
Prick.
Or, Middle, create some sort of media access in southern Lebanon. What’s been lost is the whole point of this conflict.
It’s quite striking– here in the US, the morning network news shows have as their first report a live shot from some balcony in Beirut– only then followed by a report from Haifa.
I also think the Bush Administration is woefully and unnecessarily on the defensive at this point. How hard is it to say (over and over) that the way to end the violence is to deal with the folks causing it in the first place?
This guy is an absolute disgrace to the moderate Left everywhere. Chirac has limits, and seems to be simply making policy and statements according to his understanding of what’s good for France.
But this Zapatero is truly a mendacious cowardly S.O.B. way worse than Chamberlain.
You are right, Tom. I knew they were in trouble on the day I read in some article in the Israeli press that a politician said that the Israeli hasbara (word meaning “explanation” but essentially describing Israel’s various means of getting its POV out to the world) machine is well oiled.
They are simply amateurs.
Also, one issue hurts Israel and it is that it won’t publish images of the dead or injured, while the other side seems to do it with scary frequency.
Well, this is pretty much the conventional wisdom as it’s unfolded in the world media, the UN, and elsewhere this week. The headlines are about the bombing of Beirut– that’s the visual signature of this chapter in the Mideast saga.
Israel doesn’t win many propaganda wars, and likely it shouldn’t care, but it’s certainly losing this one.