Old Man Goes to Jail for 18 Months
What the heck is the matter with England? According to the Yorkshire Evening Post, Stephen Hall, the aforementioned member of the Hell’s Angels, was described as “fearsome,” “Muscle bound,” and a “large man with a fearsome reputation.” After spending the day drinking at a bar with the aforementioned old man, Keith DeGroot, the two had an argument. Hall knocked DeGroot’s glasses off, tipped over his pint and then called Degroot a “fucking Jew.” DeGroot took offense and whacked the 6ft 3in gang member upside the head with his walking stick. Hall was knocked senseless and spent 5 days in the hospital for treatment of a fractured cheek, bleeding to his brain and damaged nasal bones.In sentencing DeGroot to 18 months in prison, Recorder Jane Rowley said:
…she accepted Degroot had reacted after “racist provocation” and took into account his age and that he only struck one blow… She said: “I accept that you did not intend serious harm but that your reaction was that you were reckless as to whether harm was caused when you struck him a blow of some force with a strike to the face… “It would be obvious to most people that serious injury may well follow… “Your offence is so serious that neither a fine nor community punishment can be imposed.”
The thing is that DeGroot isn’t actually Jewish. If it had been me that had been called “a fucking Jew” I’d simply say “Yes I am, thank you!” and be on my merry way. But still. He knocked over his pint for crying out loud! Seriously, if that doesn’t justify a whupping in England, what does???
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Hell’s Angel was voicing what most people are thinking these days.. Fuck the Jews! there I said it "Fucking Jews"… "Chosen people"… I have one thing in common with fucking Jews; I also hate Hitler.. I hate him because he could not finish what he had started. Think about why so many people hate the Jews through out the history.
Having read some of the comments here I think it only fair to point out that Mr DeGroot dropped the bully with one blow – that is not 'beating the crap out of him' – that is efficient use of force. What needs to be remembered about old people is this – the reason they are old is because they survived and tend to know a trick or two.
All the old people wandering around town with walking sticks probably wonder why I give them a big grin. : D
To be honest it was 1 blow and a stamp.Easy stuff.
actually I am jewish especially when someone calls me a fucking jew….then I become very jewish indeed.
Good for you mate!!
only just seen the article.i dont know,beating up poor defenceless hells angels.see what happens when im not around to join i..i mean look after you!
I reckon its your fault the plod tazered that old blind geezer, "look out, he's got a stick!!"
whats going on in this fucked up world in the first place an Hells Angels pressing charges??????? you gotta be fucking joking????????????
I remember a certain tree fair and a tall biker and his friends wanted to get in for free …… what larks dear boys what larks.
Yeah . Theres lots of them .Its always good practise innit !
its a true saying that a man is known by the caliber of his enemys.we need better enemys!
Fuck socialist pantywaste england!This is clearly a case of self defense.This large gang member knocks off a older mans glasses and spills his drink it is absolutely reasonable for him to defend himself.plus you limp dick english fruits didn’t charge the hells angel with a bias crime for his anti jewish slur.Imagine if he said an anti muslim slur you would get the queen mum to apologize for it.
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Why send the old man to jail, these malcontent bullies have injured and in cases killed innocent individuals. He got what what was deserving. Go young heart dude go!!!
The English are a bunch of stupid goddam feudal royal-family cunt fuckers
hmm sure so beating someone so they bleed into the brain is ok? Though he shouldn’t of said anything about jews in the first place which is bad, beating someone to shit, that is not the right way to act. Its funny as I read these comments…alot of you hate being deiscriminated yet you are all just as bad. Saying all British are wankers etc THATS racist, lol plus the jewish man was English too idiots, hate to be judged but judge others. like that all hells angels are bad people that beat up and kill people yet they don’t. If I was to say jews were all into banking you would call me anti semitic. You don’t help yourself by seperating yourselfs from the population. You dont hear other religions that get abused call the others racist.You act like you have it so bad and go on about how you were treated, But WW2 was long ago, and by one nation, mainly one mans ideals. And as time has passed there are less people that think like that yet it seems you still have a chip on your shoulder, others get treated differently because of different things not just you. Just bringing up the past all the time. and LOTS of people got killed in WW2 not just jews. But I guess for saying a valid and balanced opion you will call me anti semitic
Let me guess, you’re the guy who had the stuffing knocked out of him. Wanker.
Nah Ken. Many of your points are in fact quite valid! Now, ordinarily a response to a threat needs to be proportional. The injuries suffered by the Hell’s Angel seem extreme but when faced with the possibility of violence at the hands of a much larger, muscle bound thug, it’s hard to measure your response. You beat him till he’s incapacitated and no longer represents a threat. It may not seem fair, but under the circumstances, it’s completely reasonable. Jane Rowley didn’t think so but she’s not a little old man obviously.
Obviously not all the British are wankers, that’s just silly. This isn’t really a reflection of the fine citizens of the UK, rather it reflects DeGroot’s obviously poor legal representation and a cold hearted unsympathetic prosecution. That having been said, saying that all British are wankers isn’t racist – regardless of what members of the National Front think, the British are not a race. It’s prejudiced and ignorant if meant seriously, but it’s not racist.
As for the Hell’s Angels, they pride themselves on their fierce reputation. Said reputation was earned through acts of violence and murder against their enemies and people are right to fear them. They cultivate this reputation and ought not be surprised when people react accordingly.
WW2 wasn’t that long ago. I still see survivors with tattoos from the concentration camps walking around. Of course many other people were killed in WW2 but the murder of the Jews in Europe is unique because it a) used industrial technology to effectuate mass murder b) There was absolutely no strategic necessity or advantage gained in order to commit said mass murder and c) It was part of a long history of violence against Jews just because they were Jews – I suggest that perhaps you might benefit from reading a bit more about the Holocaust. Not because I think you’re anti-Semitic, but because I think you may be able to gain a bit of understanding and empathy. The Holocaust was not perpetrated by one man or one nation. It could not have happened without the active support and passive acquiescence of hundreds of thousands of people and almost all the nations that were under Nazi occupation. For instance, when Bulgaria was occupied by the Nazis, the Bulgarians flat out refused to allow the Nazis to deport Bulgarian Jews to the concentration camps. In the face of such brave and solid resistance, the Nazis simply didn’t make a fuss about it and no Bulgarian Jews were murdered.
We’re a bit sensitive to anti-Semitism because we have a very long history of being victimized by Jew haters. a HISTORY THATS NEARLY 2000 YEARS OLD. Yes the Holocaust ended in 1945, 67 years ago, but that’s just a drop in the bucket of our collective history. So yeah… be patient with us.
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hmm I do believe that the sentence should of been less but there is a difference from defending oneself, and beating the crap out of someone. he beat him up with a walking stick lol. You can stop yourself from doing that.
Do you all choose to dismiss any fact that the jewish bloke who did the beating could actually be a horrible person. Why? because he is jewish lol. because he is older? Have you met him? Do you know him? We are all humans, some of us good, some of us bad, just because someone is religious or something doesnt mean he is a good person. Isn;t there jewish amercan mobsters? And all the same points go to age as well.
If this was the same story, and he wasnt a jew, just a bloke that was intimidated and threatened, defended himself but went too far, and was put away for going too far (like beating with a stick and making the other person bleed into the brain) you wouldn’t say anything as you would know the chap went too far.
And maybe your are right that saying that all British are wankers isn’t racist but prejudiced. Either way its still what jewish people hate happing to themselfs. After all, are jewish people a race anymore? after all they are born in different countries. Yet they have the same beliefs. This doesn’t count as a ‘race’ but a religion. So why when some says something bad about jews, they call it racist. Maybe you can clarify things for me as i dont know much about it. Anyway calling yourself a race, when infact you are not just helps single yourself out.
As for the hell’s angles, they are not all bad, again we lay judgement to a name. ”reputation was earned through acts of violence and murder against their enemies”- that doesn’t happen anymore, if it does it doesnt happen often, There are much worse gangs and things going on than them that you will find alot in society now, glorified in some media.
And I know my history, I know many people did bad things, and many people done good things. I was stating the fact that someone idiot was going on about england when we helped out the most and the fact that the actual jewish bloke is english. But I guess because he is jewish he is not a wanker but the english still are.
And I understand that what happened was wrong and disgusting. But other people have been discriminated in the past and killed also, and will prob happen again. But living in the past doesnt do shit, learn from it and move on. And try to change the future if you dont like the present.
Only go on to help my understanding and perhaps help others think diiferently.
Most good people hate jew haters too…Christianity is hated by some of the same jew haters. Ask fundemental Islamists!
Hey jew haters jews fight back now…no more auschwitz..ask Israel.
Who is Ephraim? I like this guys ‘tude. I’m a grandad now and not liking it. It makes me feel old. Maybe why I relate to the attitude….
Hey, ck.
I dunno. Just sorta got out of the habit, I guess. You guys were really taking up a lot of my time.
Friggin’ Muffti never got in touch with me, the wanker, so I got in a snit, I guess. 😉
Hope you’ve all been good. I’ll check in for a drive-by now and again.
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Those fucking Limey fucks. A guy twice his size and half his age insulted him and assaulted him, he defends himself, and HE gets thrown in the slammer? That’s the vaunted British justice?
Fuck that. Asshole deserved what he got. He fucked with the wrong Jew. Didn’t the Angerl ever hear of “They Don’t Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore” by Kinky Freudman and the Texas Jewboys?
You think if the guy had called a Muslim a “fucking raghead” and hit him in the face, and the Muslim then put him in the hospital that the Muslim would have been put in jail?
Of course not.
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Right–he’d not have been thrown in jail. He’d have been thrown in Guantanamo. Come off it, ya minge.
Yeah but look at his nose
CK, are you just assuming he’s not Jewish? According to Jewish Chronicle, “he has a large Jewish family, with relatives in north London and Israel.” Good for him!
Oh wow. Do you have the link to that? His name didn’t sound remotely Jewish so I just assumed…
“[J]ust assumed,” eh? Racist.
Wait a minute…they sent that old man to jail?! I applaud him for taking a stand.