Well sometimes it is i suppose. But really? It’s not hard at all. I wonder how long it’ll take for this to get to twitter? Oh, and what’s with that soldier testifying about IDF using human shields in Gaza when he fucking wasn’t even there?

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  • How about reading the rest of the collection, CK?

    That was one of fifty testimonies, most of which were about shooting tank cannons into populated buildings, military rabbis inciting soldiers to wipe out the Amalekites-Palestinians, the leveling of whole neighborhoods, and use of white phosphorus in populated areas.

    The testimonies are from soldiers seeking to do their job fighting terrorists, who in the middle of legitimate combat affairs were expected to launch grenades into homes without warning, shoot without verifying targets, or demolish an entire neighborhood after combat operations ceased.

    The “most moral army in the world” is now the most average army in the world. Now that we’re past the silly assumption that human rights abuses never happen, now we can discuss what it means that Israel has waged war on a trapped population.

  • Apparently,
    all the testimonies are anonymous or based on second-hand info. Basically, spam with zero crdibility.

  • Of course — nobody would come forward if they were sure the IDF wouldn’t prosecute them as a scapegoat. “Rotten apples” take the fall for the big guys.

    If you read the testimonies, you’ll see that there’s enough identifying info to implicate the commanders who gave the briefings, for example. There’s only a few brigade-level commanders in the IDF, you know. If they’ve not been dragged into Ehud Barak’s office and told that the IDF will disavow any of them for speaking to the media about any truth, then Israel will be a very moral country indeed. It happened in the U.S. with Abu-Ghraib and this is the same thing: prosecute the foot soldier for the orders of the top commanders.

    If the IDF were really interested in putting these accusations to rest, they would open their investigation to civilian oversight ALSO — considering their record-fast investigation was closed to the public. Tit for tat, boys.

  • If the IDF were really interested in putting these accusations to rest, they would open their investigation to civilian oversight ALSO — considering their record-fast investigation was closed to the public. Tit for tat, boys.

    Actually, if the critics were interested in truly getting justice, they would identify themselves and the incidents clearly. The anonymity may be sufficient for the BBC (big surprise) and for you, but it is otherwise entirely unpersuasive. It is particularly unpersuasive considring that just a few weeks ago a similar incident where soldiers told tales about Gaza received international news coverage before we all learned that it was second-hand information based on false premises and that it was false.

    One writer somewhere made the point that “Breaking the Silence” is a misleading name since Israel has an independent media and this story would get all the coverage it needs. It’s not as if the IDF would harm anybody and in fact would likely do nothing except investigate the allegations, just as we saw a few weeks ago.

    So congratulations, KFJ, you and your friends on the Left once again score points against Israel in the international arena and in the media, thereby weakening its position and making it appear immoral, but you are doing it dishonestly. This happens over and over and it would be considered an outrage were it not so common that we’ve all come to expect it. You know that phrase about repeating a lie often enough…

  • Actually, if the critics were interested in truly getting justice, they would identify themselves and the incidents clearly.

    It’s one thing for you to doubt how widely this conduct occured across the IDF, but it is NOT within your purview to challenge the intents of the soldiers themselves. These soldiers volunteered to be combat soldiers and give their lives for their country. The right to come forward without their identities open for you to smear is far short of the honor owed to them.

    Shocked as you may be to hear a burst of patriotic defensiveness from me, but you have shallow ground to impune their experiences and even less to say their intent isn’t genuine.

    One writer somewhere made the point that “Breaking the Silence” is a misleading name since Israel has an independent media and this story would get all the coverage it needs.

    The story gets the coverage because Breaking the Silence has a track record of substantied claims.

  • No, the story gets coverage because it is anti-Israel. Pure and simple.

    As for impugning Israeli soldiers, I guess you have no problem impugning all Israeli soldiers who volunteer for combat duty. You seem to believe that if I claim the critics may not be soldiers, may not have been there, are providing second hand information or are lying outright, that’s somehow far worse of an insult than you accusing the rest of the combat soldiers who are most likely innocent of these accusations of war crimes.

    I’ll criticize these soldiers of “breaking the Silence” (if they are soldiers and not operatives of this organization) and their claims until they come forward with verifiable information. Until then, they are charlatans.

    And I’ll repeat again, in recent months we see this type of false accusations by the leftist crowd happen over and over. You may win points as a result but that does not make the claims true.

  • Oh, and by the way, if the claims are verified and they are not excusable on the basis of the circumstances involved, I will have no problem criticizing any soldiers or commanders who were involved.

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