Muffti really meant to take it easy last night, but Manwhore Jonathon wanted to go to the city. So Muffti and MWJ jumped in the car and drove over to EVs, where we drank some slivovitz (Czech plum liquor), pounded some beers. Then Proud Self Loather and his wife Yurika (not pronounced ‘Eureeka’) and her friend Yui came over and we all chilled for a bit.

(Shut up. It’s a bad picture.)

Anyhow, we went to the Heeb party and found ourselves in a line whose bark was worse than its bite, since we were in within about 5 minutes. Muffti and MWJ went to the bar and got tequila shots and a few beers which unfortunately means that Muffti won’t be paying his rent next month. Anyhow, we walked around a bit and ran into no other than David Kelsey. Looked Muffti queringly and then said ‘You’re a bit of a pretty boy for a philosoher’. Muffti was a bit perplexed at first, but he reckoned it was either a compliment or a backhanded insult that was too subtle for him to understand. Either way, DK turns out to be a fine fellow, and seemed to be having a pretty good time.

How was the party part of the Heeb party? Muffti’ll break it down into some pros and cons:

Pros
– Cute bartenders in li’l American Apparel style shorts
– Many people
– cage dancers with ‘heeb’ tank tops on

Cons
– An unfortunate male/female ratio (i.e. the Pro was in some ways a bit of a con)
– the cover price (which was advertised as 18$ if you had exact change) turned out to be a sham, as EV found out. Not that Muffti’s cheap, but he prefers truth in advertising
– Too many Jews (just kidding!)

Muffti’s never been to a Matzo ball, but comments were made suggesting that Heeb’s party was ‘just like a matzo ball’. He’s not sure that’s a compliment, ‘specially since the party was advertised as being for ‘people who think matzo ball blows’. Oh well.

There is one slightly odd story to tell. One performer (a really fast talking/rapping guy) was sitting down up stairs chillin with a very attractive blonde, who was sort of dancing (Muffti thinks for him) quite seductively. Muffti asked if she was giving dude a no-contact lap dance to which she responded, in a delightful european accent ‘why don’t you ask him? talk to him! he’s not jealous!’) Oh well. whatever floats your boat fast talking rapper dude. It’s hannukah after all.

Still, all in all, Muffti had a good time, MWJ met a grrrl and Muffti got to play a part in mending inter-blog relations. So have a nice hannuka, and a great final week of 2005.

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  • Am pretty sure that the same book that says “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Also says love thy brother; or something to that effect. May be it also says you can pick and choose what to observe; but i must have missed that part.

  • Phelps runs this group, which is largely his own family, like a cult. It is considered by many to be such.

  • From Shmuley Boteach’s interesting take:

    Yes, the Torah labels homosexuality an abomination, just as it lists the eating of shellfish or bringing a blemished animal on God’s holy altar as a similar abominable act….But the Bible clearly distinguishes between sins that harm one’s fellow man and sins which harm oneself, the former being far more serious than the latter.

    http://www.shmuley.com/articles.php?id=221

  • God hates SWEDEN? Sweden?! haha! Is there an any more inconspicuous nation for god to hate?

    Oh that was a good laugh.

  • Yeah, Muffti has to admit that at first he thought it was a joke. They hate everybody, though. They hate America, they hate swedes, they don’t seem very fond of the military, they hate, well, nearly everybody. So, really, homosexuals shouldn’t feel too badly since they are hated along, with, everybody!

  • 1. Who are you, what do you do, and why do you do it?
    2. Doesn’t the Bible say that God loves everyone?
    3. Why do you say “Thank God For September 11?”
    4. Why do you preach hate?
    5. Doesn’t God forgive everyone?
    6. Why do you picket funerals?
    7. Why do you say “Thank God For AIDS”?
    8. Doesn’t the Bible say not to judge?
    9. Why do you focus on homosexuals?
    10. If God hates homosexuals as a group, why do you sometimes aim signs at individual people, not at the group? How can you say that an individual is in hell?
    11. Do you ever pray for the salvation of those who you feel are condemned?
    12. Why don’t you leave it up to God and stop wasting your time telling people that they are wrong?
    13. What would you do if a homosexual attended your church?
    14. How do you feel about people who confess and realize their sins?
    15. Do you feel that gays and lesbians should be allowed to teach if they do not bring their sexual tendencies into the classroom?
    16. Are you associated with a militia, Aryan Nation, Nazi, KKK, or any other similar group?
    17. Why do you use the word “fag”?
    18. Didn’t Jesus die for everyone?
    19. What do you think of Jews?
    20. Do you follow ALL of the laws in the Mosaic Code, or do you just pick and choose those that denounce homosexuals, while ignoring the others?
    21. How can you call yourself a Christian?
    22. Are you a sinner? If so, does this mean you will burn in hell, or are you better than these people?
    23. What are your views on abortion?
    24. What about lesbians?
    25. What are you trying to accomplish?
    26. Have any homosexuals repented as a result of your picketing?
    27. Where does the Bible say that homosexuality is a sin? Where did Jesus say anything about homosexuality?
    28. Why are you so harsh?
    29. Doesn’t the Bible say to love your neighbor?
    30. What do you think of the Religious Right?
    31. Aren’t all sins equal in God’s eyes?
    32. Are you a repressed homosexual?
    33. Why do you fly the American flag upside down?
    34. How do you know that God exists?
    35. How do you know the Bible is correct?
    36. What ways have you found to spread your message?
    37. When it says in the Bible that God is not willing that any should perish, doesn’t that mean God wants everyone to be saved?
    38. What do you think about the Tsunami that hit Asia on December 26, 2004? Was it God’s wrath? What about the children who were killed?
    39. Why do you picket soldiers’ funerals?

    For more information, please read an Interview by Hatewatch of WBC pastor Fred Phelps, September 29, 1997.
    Who are you, what do you do, and why do you do it?

    The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) of Topeka, Kansas, is an Old School (or, Primitive) Baptist Church. In short, we adhere to the teachings of the Bible, preach against all form of sin (e.g., fornication, adultery, sodomy), and insist that the doctrines of grace be taught publicly to all men. These doctrines of grace were well summed up by John Calvin in his 5 points of Calvinism: Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints. Although these doctrines are almost universally hated today, they were once loved and believed. For example, Augustine (one of the early Church fathers), Martin Luther (the founder of the Lutheran Church), John Knox (the founder of the Presbyterian Church), Augustus Toplady (hymnist and leader in the Episcopal Church), Charles Spurgeon (a well-known preacher), John Leland (who was partially responsible for our First Amendment in the United States), and Abraham Lincoln (raised in a tiny Old School Baptist church) are just a few examples of people who have advanced these ideas. Please see The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination by Jerom Zanchius. Most of the major Confessions of Faith throughout the history of the New Testament Church have also advanced these ideas. So, even though the Arminian lies that “God loves everyone” and “Jesus died for everyone” are being taught from nearly every pulpit in this generation, this hasn’t always been the case. In fact, if you are in a Church that supposedly believes the Bible, and you are hearing these lies, then your church has apostatized. If you are interested in this subject, we encourage you to do some independent research on the history of the Church over the last several hundred years, and, more importantly, we encourage you to carefully read the entire New Testament.

    WBC engages in daily peaceful sidewalk demonstrations opposing the homosexual lifestyle of soul-damning, nation-destroying filth. We display large, colorful signs containing Bible words and sentiments, including: GOD HATES FAGS, FAGS HATE GOD, AIDS CURES FAGS, THANK GOD FOR AIDS, FAGS BURN IN HELL, NO NOT MOCKED, FAGS ARE NATURE FREAKS, GOD GAVE FAGS UP, NO SPECIAL LAWS FOR FAGS, etc.

    Perceiving the modern militant homosexual movement to pose a clear and present danger to the survival of America, exposing our nation to the wrath of God as in 1898 B.C. at Sodom and Gomorrah, WBC has conducted some 20,000 such demonstrations during the last nine years at homosexual parades and other events (including funerals of impenitent sodomites, like Matthew Shepard). WBC teams have picketed major fag parades in San Francisco, New York, Washington D.C., Miami, San Diego, Dallas, Orlando, Kansas City, etc. The unique picketing ministry of Westboro Baptist Church has received national attention, and WBC believes this gospel message to be America’s last hope.

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    Doesn’t the Bible say that God loves everyone?

    No. You are probably thinking of John 3:16, which says no such thing. The word translated “world” in that verse (kosmos) NEVER means every individual of mankind who has ever lived (see, e.g., John 17:9). Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau, and Psalm 5:5 says that God hates all WORKERS of iniquity (e.g., fags). Other examples are Proverbs 6:16-19, Psalm 11:5, and Malachi 1:3. Given these verses, how can you say God loves everyone? Can you really say “God loves everyone” when God says “I hated Esau?” Does God love the people in hell?

    Or, you are thinking of “God is love.” God certainly is love, toward His elect (His children). But He certainly is not love toward the reprobate (children of the devil). That’s why His elect go to heaven, and the reprobate go to hell. In Romans 9:13, which says “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”, Jacob is a representative of God’s elect, while Esau is a representative of the reprobate. In Romans 1, the word “reprobate” is used to describe fags. Fags are reprobate. God hates reprobates. Therefore, God hates fags.

    Furthermore, God specifically says that He ABHORS people who engage in sodomy (as well as other forms of sexual perversion): “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them…And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.” Leviticus 20:13,23. Understand? GOD ABHORS FAGS.

    God’s hatred is one of His holy attributes, whereby He reveals Himself as having a fixed and immutable determination to punish the finally impenitent with eternal perdition. God’s hatred is not like man’s hatred. His hatred is holy, pure, unchanging, while man’s hatred is a sinful, fickle emotion.

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    Why do you say “Thank God For September 11?”

    For several reasons. First, God ordained and decreed these acts. He determined in eternity to hurl those airplanes like fiery darts out of the sky. He used the evil followers of Osama bin Laden to punish even more evil people, just as He used the evil, blood-thirsty Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar, His servant, to punish wicked Judah (Jeremiah 25:9). As the sovereign Creator, His acts by definition are perfect and all humans are duty bound to be grateful for all that He does. “Shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?” Amos 3:6. You are supremely arrogant and evil if you don’t believe that your Creator was responsible for September 11. Second, this nation is awash in arrogant disobedience to God. By all that is just, God is fully entitled to utterly destroy the nation immediately. The fact that instead He gave us a fair warning on September 11 is something that those who fear and obey God as all mankind is bound to do are thankful for this warning. Thank God that we were not all killed on September 11, as we deserve nothing less. Of course, the perverse people of this evil nation are not getting the hint, and instead of repenting in sackcloth and ashes, they continue to spit in God’s face. Third, the saints of God watch for the return of Christ. The worse this world becomes in its institutionalized iniquity, the greater the hope that the return of Christ is nigh. September 11 was comforting evidence to the saints of God that every word of the Scripture is true and that our hope is a good one. “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.” Romans 1:18-19. “And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.” Revelation 2:21. Furthermore, it validates what Westboro Baptist Church has been preaching since 1991: This nation (and world) has crossed the line. It’s too late to repent. God will send adumbrations of the Great Assize (September 11 was child’s play compared to what is coming), and the vile people of this world will ignore the warnings. That’s what the Bible says will happen. That’s what WBC has preached will happen. And that’s what is happening.

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    Why do you preach hate?

    Because the Bible preaches hate. For every one verse about God’s mercy, love, compassion, etc., there are two verses about His vengeance, hatred, wrath, etc. The maudlin, kissy-pooh, feel-good, touchy-feely preachers of today’s society are damning this nation and this world to hell. They are telling you what you want to hear rather than what you need to hear, just like what happened in the days of Isaiah and Jeremiah: “That this [is] a rebellious people, lying children, children [that] will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.” Isaiah 30:9-11; “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.” Jeremiah 14:14; “They have healed also the hurt [of the daughter] of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 6:14-15. And also in the New Testament we are warned: “For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.” Titus 1:11-13; “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.” II Peter 2:1,2. What you need to hear is that God hates people, and that your chances of going to heaven are nonexistent, unless you repent. What you need to hear is a little fire and brimstone preaching, like Jesus preached. What you don’t need to hear is that you’re okay just the way you are, and God accepts everyone without exception. Don’t listen to the money-grubbing heretic who stands at the front of your church. Listen to God. If you are one of His elect, you’ll hear.

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    Doesn’t God forgive everyone?

    No. God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth (Romans 9:18). God is sovereign, and does whatsoever he will in the army of heaven and amongst the inhabitants of the Earth, and none can stay his hand. You must come to term with two facts, which are extremely difficult for the flesh to grasp: First, God does not exist to serve you, you exist to serve him. Second, you are without the ability, of your own will, to do anything pleasing to God. You have no work to offer which is worthy in his sight. The best works of humans are as filthy rags in God’s eyes. Your flesh is at war with his spirit. These are all phrases taken from passages in the scriptures. And you will not serve God, unless and until he draws you to him. And if he draws you, you will not be able to resist. You will recognize that every human, at the moment of birth, utterly deserves to go straight to hell. Even so, in his justness, God had mercy on some, and named some his children, whom he will lead to glory. Your best hope is that you are among those he has chosen. Your prayer every day should be that you might be. And if you are not, nothing you say or do will serve as a substitute. And if you are, you will praise and worship him, in humble gratitude, day and night. Ask yourself this question: Does God forgive the people in hell.

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    Why do you picket funerals?

    To warn the people who are still living that unless they repent, they will likewise perish. When people go to funerals, they have thoughts of mortality, heaven, hell, eternity, etc., on their minds. It’s the perfect time to warn them of things to come. Is it mean, hateful, uncompassionate, etc.? I’m sure it is, according to your standards. However, according to my standards, it would be infinitely more mean, hateful, uncompassionate, etc., to keep my mouth shut and not warn you that you, too, will soon have to face God.

    Good King Josiah “brake down the houses of the sodomites, that [were] by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.” II Kings 23:7. “And as Josiah turned himself, he spied the sepulchres that [were] there in the mount, and sent, and took the bones out of the sepulchres, and burned [them] upon the altar, and polluted it, according to the word of the LORD which the man of God proclaimed, who proclaimed these words.” II Kings 23:16. After Josiah does these things, does God say “Josiah, how can you do such a thing? How can you be so hateful and disrespectful of the dead? What about the poor mourning families of these dead bones?” No! God says “And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there [any] like him.” II Kings 23:25. God calls him the greatest king ever! What WBC does, in merely picketing funerals, is nothing compared to digging up the dead bodies and burning them!

    Finally, Here is how much respect Jesus had for the funeral of an unrighteous man: “Jesus said unto him, let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God”. Luke 9:60. Jesus commanded a man, whose father had just died, to NOT EVEN GO MOURN AT THE FUNERAL AND BURY HIM, but rather preach the kingdom of God. Hypocrites in this modern era, who think they are smarter than Christ, would open their mouths in amazement at Christ’s lack of respect for a poor mourning man whose father had just died.

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    Why do you say “Thank God For AIDS”?

    Because God is a sovereign God, and should be thanked for all of His righteous judgments, whether you like them or not. Everyone who gets AIDS gets it as a direct result of God’s will (including babies and people who get it from blood transfusions), and He should be blessed for it. “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap” Galatians 6:7. You should follow Job’s example: “Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” Job 1:21.

    As far as innocent people who get AIDS, God isn’t bound by your humanistic standards of justice. Throughout history, He has killed innocent people to punish those people who are still living (e.g., the innocent first born of Egypt). And He’s doing it today. God’s wrath is being poured out on this world in many forms, including AIDS, and part of that wrath is the destruction of innocent people (including babies).

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    Doesn’t the Bible say not to judge?

    Yes. However, you may not understand what that means. It means not to judge unrighteously, it means not to judge using your human judgment, and it means not to judge hypocritically. In other words, don’t substitute your judgment for God’s, and don’t judge other people when you are guilty of impenitently engaging in the same sins (i.e., Don’t cast the first stone). However, there are several verses in the Bible where we are told to judge. “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” John 7:24. “But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man” I Corinthians 2:15. “Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?” I Corinthians 6:2.

    Many people use the story of the woman taken in adultery as an excuse to not ever preach to anyone. The simple truth of the matter is that Christ not only preached at the woman, but also at all of her accusers. By saying “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her,” Christ was not speaking of someone who was entirely free from any and all sin, as there was no such person other than Christ himself. The law of Moses called for the stoning of a person who was caught in adultery and that stoning had to be done by someone who was not guilty of the sin with which the accused was charged. Who Christ is referring to here is someone who is not guilty of some scandalous sin and more particularly, adultery. Christ called the generation in which He lived an adulterous and sinful generation, meaning, at least partially, that adultery was extremely prevalent. Therefore, as was shown by each of the accusers leaving without casting any stone, each of those accusers was just as guilty of adultery, if not more so, than the woman. He preached to them about their hypocrisy, convicting each one of them of their sins to such an extent that none could stand their own conscience. Also, by the very words “Go and sin no more,” Christ preached repentance to the woman. Christ did not say “Go and continue living your wicked and adulterous life and I will grant you salvation anyway”.

    Further, by telling him that was without sin to cast the first stone, Christ showed to the woman that He was merciful, and to her accusers, he showed that He is the searcher of hearts. Christ, not only by His words, but also by His actions, preached that salvation is by grace and not by works. According to the law of Moses, this woman was fully deserving of being stoned to death for her adultery.

    Crying “judge not lest you be judged” or “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” is a favorite tactic among fags and so-called Christians, just like it was among the ancient Sodomites. “And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door” Genesis 19:9. It really doesn’t make any sense to use these verses against someone who is following Christ’s command to preach to every creature, because preaching and judging aren’t the same things. So if you’re going to use these verses, at least use them in context – don’t be a typical sodomite and say it just because you’re too weak-minded to address the issues.

    If you still think that we aren’t supposed to judge under any circumstances, then you better not tell me to stop judging. Otherwise, you’d be guilty of judging me.

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    Why do you focus on homosexuals?

    Homosexuality is due special attention by our ministry for several reasons. First, Paul the Apostle, sometimes called the Lion of Christ, who spoke as he was moved by the Holy Spirit, gave the sin of homosexuality special attention. It is important that you carefully read Romans 1, repeatedly. It is clear that on the ladder of human depravity, homosexuality is the bottom rung. By the time a person reaches the state of hard core, defiant, unrepentant, homosexual lifestyle, God has washed His hands of that person. God does not hate them because they are homosexuals; they are homosexuals because God hates them. That is an important distinction. Further, throughout the Old Testament, when the nation of Israel was in its worst spiritual condition, in full blown apostasy, the Bible makes a point of telling us that sodomy was one of the chief traits of society (see I Kings 14:24). Under the Law of Moses, the penalty for homosexuality was death. Further, sodomy is the only sin which caused God to rain fire from heaven on an entire 5-city population. So, we have a Bible basis for recognizing that homosexuality is a particularly heinous sin in the eyes of the God of Eternity.

    Second, and perhaps in the immediate context more important, this is the sin that is at the forefront of the moral crisis in this nation. WE did not start the homosexual movement. WE did not put this movement on the front page of every major newspaper, in every phase of the entertainment industry, and in the schools. WE are not the ones insisting that this awful behavior serve as the basis for special legal rights. WE are not the ones marching up and down the streets demanding that people accept and respect us for our sins. This is the only sin to which America is seriously contemplating giving civil rights. Imagine if embezzlers, murderers or rapists demanded that they be given protection – not punishment – by law because of their wrongful deeds? You would gasp in amazement. Yet you embrace the notion that because someone engages in sex with a person of the same gender – and then chooses to broadcast that fact – they should be protected? Amazing! This sin is so insidious by its nature, and those who commit such things so abominable by their nature, that it serves as the litmus test for a society. When God has turned his back on a people, sodomites rule the land. America is on the cusp of that condition, and only by an abundance of mercy will God forebear the utter destruction of this country. That is why we focus on this issue in our ministry at this time in our journey on this Earth.

    Third, similar conditions existed in Sodom, which was destroyed by God. Jesus warned us that it would be like it was in the days of Lot (Sodom) just before He returns. We are in those days right now, and this abomination of desolation should be preached against, not condoned. If you are a fag, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you support fags, you should be ashamed of yourself. It was your ilk who brought destruction on Sodom, and it will be your ilk who fuels God’s wrath to the point that there will be no remedy.

    Finally, you should realize that the full scope of our ministry is broader than the homosexual movement. If you read all of our fliers and signs, and heard the preaching in our church week in and out, you would realize that we have a full doctrinal scope in all our activities.

    See the Gay Revolutionary by Michael Swift, from the Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987.

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    If God hates homosexuals as a group, why do you sometimes aim signs at individual people, not at the group? How can you say that an individual is in hell?

    The scriptures have no lack of examples where God’s people throughout the ages have gone, in a most public way, and withstood certain people to the face, or called them by name and preached to them directly. For example, see Luke 3:19 – “But Herod the tetrach, being reproved by (John the Baptist) for Herodias his brother Philip’s wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done.” Of course, John the Baptist was beheaded by Herod for preaching to him about living in adultery with his sister-in-law. See also, I Kings 18:17, et seq, where Elijah once again challenges King Ahab for his evil deeds. Further, Paul spoke directly to and about Alexander the Coppersmith, and the Cretians, whom he called liars, evil beasts, slow bellies, and concludes that passage with the injunction that we are to rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith. See Titus 1:12, 13.

    We are also instructed at I Timothy 5:20 – “Them that sin, rebuke before all that others also may fear (that is, fear God).”

    Your own experiences of life would teach you that it is a technique of the human animal to change behavior by holding wrong doers, or evil doers up to public contempt, as a way to make an example of them so that others will not go that way, or engage in similar conduct (e.g. Hitler, murders, rapist, etc.).

    We cannot know for certain that an individual person is in hell (or heaven). Only God knows that. However, we can and should look at all of the available evidence that we have, and make a reasonable assumption. We are under an obligation to discern the signs of the times, and discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:14). For example, the evidence that Matthew Shepard is in hell is the fact that he was a practicing homosexual, who was trolling for anonymous perverted sex when he was killed. There is absolutely not one shred of evidence that he ever repented. We hope he did, as we hope everyone does, but there is no evidence. To the person who would suggest that Matthew Shepard is anywhere but hell, where is your evidence that he repented? For those who would appeal to the thief on the cross, there is a saying that goes “there was a thief on the cross that none might despair. But there was only one thief that none might presume.”

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    Do you ever pray for the salvation of those who you feel are condemned?

    Of course not! For, if we follow (as we ought) the example of our Saviour and the clear commandment of God, we would not dare to do so.

    To clarify, consider what the Saviour said in John 17. After stating at length how God pre-selected a few out of the world to give to Jesus, it comes to verse 9 which states unequivocally “I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou has given me; for they are thine.” To the extent that we are ever instructed to pray for any other than those who make a profession to this faith, it is in recognition that they may be God’s elect who have not yet received the call to grace. Hence, we are instructed to “pray for them who despitefully use you, and persecute you. (Matthew 5:44). We know that, as with Saul of Tarsus, we could find among the enemy one who has grace.

    More telling on the subject, however, is the events immediately prior to the destruction by God of the nation of Israel told of in Jeremiah. Throughout the detailed accounts of the abominations of that nation, God repeatedly tells his prophet “pray not thou for this people” (Jeremiah 7:16; 11:14; 14:11). Then, as if to put the instruction into the hyperbolic range, God pronounces the futility of such prayer by saying “Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people.” (Jeremiah 15:1). You simply cannot read the accounts given throughout the scriptures without recognizing that those who are clearly condemned of God are beyond any hope of intervention by prayer.

    To bring the point into focus, consider the pronouncements of God that He has thrice given sodomites “up to uncleanness” (Romans 1:24), “up unto vile affections” (Romans 1:26), and “over to a reprobate mind” (Romans 1:28). What arrogance would we display to pretend we could pray them back into the good grace of Him who has given them up?

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    Why don’t you leave it up to God and stop wasting your time telling people that they are wrong?

    “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? I, the Lord, search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.” (Jeremiah 17:9-10). This being the exclusive prerogative of God, we leave it alone, knowing that we can never convince someone that they are doing something wrong.

    What we do is what we are commanded to do. There are two verses that show our commission well: “CRY aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” (Isaiah 58:1); and “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine.” (2 Timothy 4:2). We preach.

    We preach the unvarnished word which the Bible calls “a more sure word of prophecy, unto which ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts;” (2 Peter 1:19). For we know of a certainty that we are commanded to preach and we know “after that, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.” (1 Corinthians 1:21).

    So, we certainly know that we have absolutely no power or ability to show anyone where he or she went wrong. Everything begins and ends at the commandment of God and we are altogether content to leave all matters of the heart to Him. This in no wise means that we should leave off preaching, for we are expressly commanded to do so, however it is received. As God thrice reminds Ezekiel: “Whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear (for they are a rebellious house), yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.” (Ezekiel 2:5; 2:7; and 3:11).

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    What would you do if a homosexual attended your church?

    Regardless of any person’s private conduct, we would do unto them as we would have them do unto us. By a fear of God, we would declare the whole counsel of God to them, lest their blood should be on our hands. We would share the Gospel (good news) with them, and we would treat them like we would treat any other person on this earth. We would treat them with kindness, and follow those scriptural injunctions that require that we preach the gospel to every creature.

    “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” Mark 16:15.

    “So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.” Romans 1:15.

    “Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel.” Romans 15:20.

    “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.” I Corinthians 1:17.

    “For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!” I Corinthians 9:16.

    There are many more such passages. Knowing always that it is only by the foolishness of preaching that any man is saved, preaching a pure, complete, unvarnished gospel, is our duty, and it is the only hope for salvation. See Galatians 1:9 – “As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” and Romans 10:17 – “So, then, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

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    How do you feel about people who confess and realize their sins?

    Repentance is a gift of God (Romans 2:4). God communicates that repentance and the fruits of it are manifest to all (Acts 26:20) and “the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” (Romans 11:29). Once saved, always saved. Based upon 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, there is a scriptural basis to believe that it is possible for a practicing fag to repent. On the other hand, Jesus Christ taught that “no man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him.” (John 6:44). In Romans 1, on three separate occasions, it says that God has given homosexuals up to uncleanness (v. 24), vile affections (v.26) , and to a reprobate mind (v. 28). If he has given them up to these things, he is not simultaneously drawing them to Christ. These verses are not incongruous, because if Christ died for them, the Holy Spirit will surely call them, God will in fact draw them, they will leave off that uncleanness, vile affections and reprobate mind, and the inevitable result will be that they will inherit heaven and not hell. Therefore, a fag who has truly repented is no longer a fag. We are not going to be left wondering about it, in light of the objective test which the Bible describes, including at II Timothy 2:19: “Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

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    Do you feel that gays and lesbians should be allowed to teach if they do not bring their sexual tendencies into the classroom?

    No one would know, and therefore no one would care, about the sexual practices or pleasures of any such human unless they put it on the table. School is not a place for a teacher or any other tax-paid adult to be discussing, directly or indirectly, their sexual “preferences” or those of any other person. If such a person could and would go about their business in a professional, mature and responsible manner it would never be a problem with their conduct. My experience however, with persons who are homosexual is that, just like their scriptural models, they feel compelled to “share” their perversion with any and everybody surrounding them. They do this with a certain degree of misplaced pride and an apparent compulsion to insist on others’ approval. When that happens to any least degree in a school setting, it is grossly improper and should be removed from the environment. Any such person engaging in that behavior is not a suitable teacher in any school.

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    Are you associated with a militia, Aryan Nation, Nazi, KKK, or any other similar group?

    No. We don’t believe in physical violence of any kind, and the Scripture doesn’t support racism. God never says “thou shalt not be black.” However, He does say, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22).

    The only true Nazis in this world are fags. They want to force you by law to support their filth, and they want to shut you up by law when they hate what you say. They would be perfectly happy to make it a crime to preach that “God hates fags” under the guise of “hate speech legislation.” Likewise, baby-killers support the genocide of millions of innocent babies, and then act indignant that Hitler killed millions of Jews. Baby-killers are responsible for more murder and blood-shed than Hitler and his Nazi party ever dreamed. See The Pink Swastika by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams.

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    Why do you use the word “fag”?

    We use the word “fag” as a contraction of the word “faggot” or “fagot.” A “fag” is a firebrand. A “fag” is used for kindling – it fuels fire. “Fag” is a metaphor used in the Bible, for example, in Amos 4:11 (where it is translated “firebrand” in the KJV). Just as a “fag” fuels the fires of nature, so does a sodomite fuel the fires of God’s wrath. We do not use the word “fag” in order to engage in childish name-calling. Rather, we use it because it is a metaphor chosen by the Holy Ghost to describe a group of people who BURN in their lust one toward another, and who FUEL God’s wrath.

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    Didn’t Jesus die for everyone?

    No. Jesus died only for His sheep (John 10). His church (Ephesians 5:25). His elect (I Peter 1:2). If He died for everyone, everyone would go to heaven. All sins of all people would be forgiven. But obviously, all sins aren’t forgiven, because people are burning in hell.

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    What do you think of Jews?

    “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” Romans 2:28,29.

    As the Apostle Paul (who himself was a Jew) teaches in this verse, the only true Jews are Christians. The rest of the people who claim to be Jews aren’t, and they are nothing more than typical, impenitent sinners, who have no Lamb. You may have a Jewish heritage, but that doesn’t make you a true Jew in the spirit; that only makes you a Jew in the flesh. As evidence of their apostasy, the vast majority of Jews support fags. In fact, it is the official policy of Reformed Jews to support same-sex marriage. Of course, there are Jews who still believe God’s law, but most of them have even departed from that. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Jew or a Gentile…as long as you believe in Christ.

    If you are a Jew in the flesh and not in the spirit, Paul describes you as follows: “The Jews: who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men” I Thessalonians 2:14,15.

    obviously, they are not too fond of us !

  • Uh… not defending this crap or anything – but I’d like to clarify a tangent point.

    Did Muffti object to dancing on the blood of American Marines when it was done by (the equally brain-dead) Cindy Sheehan and members of the left?

    Just curious…

  • Cindy Sheehan is, at best, a naive and painfully ignorant git. I feel her pain but she added exactly nothing of any value to the discourse regarding the war in Iraq.

  • Ben David,

    Muffti isn’t really objecting to anyone. Muffti missed the Sheehan blood dance. He’s pretty sure that the phrase ‘members of the left’ is nothing more than a way to slander an entire part of the political spectrum by the actions of a few of it’s members.

  • “the left” = indiscrimate slander of a large, loose group of people.

    “members of the left” = the exact opposite: a limited group, in this case those who propped Cindy Sheehan up before the TV cameras and otherwise amplified her message.

  • “the left” = indiscrimate slander of a large, loose group of people.

    “members of the left” = the exact opposite: a limited group, in this case those who propped Cindy Sheehan up before the TV cameras and otherwise amplified her message.

  • BD, Muffti was just wondering why you mention that they are members OF THE LEFT at all?

    But whatever. Where’s the info about Sheehan’s celebrating the death of Marines?

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