If you are an avid supporter of the Palestinians, one who has aligned himself or herself with groups like the MSU or MSA on a campus, read this post and watch the video and then don’t ever say you didn’t know. Now you know.
We cover UC Irvine’s MSU’s shenanigans here regularly. That university can take pride, real pride, in having made their campus nationally famous for their hostility not just to Israel, but also to Jews. Here is one lovely example of UCI’s Israel Apartheid Week and its consequences and in case you think this is an anomaly, the professor is still there and the speaker in the bottom video has been invited for years including after this event was recorded.
However, we now have a better video to show you from UC San Diego. This week is Israel Apartheid Week at UCSD and the Muslim Students Association has speakers coming and all kinds of fun activities like a rapper from England who is apparently going to rap. What is he rapping about? This. They invited Norman Finkelstein, of the famous dog and pony show he used to run when doing his “Holocaust Industry” shtick. Now he’s got a dog and pony show going around the country telling people about the Gaza War book he wrote (and promoted on our site).
Some group at UCSD thought they should bring a speaker to their campus who could provide an alternative to the Israel hatefest. They invited David Horowitz to give a talk. At the end of the talk, an MSA student asks a question and he turns the tables on her and asks her a question in response. When she’s done answering, she says she is for the genocide of Jews prescribed by Nasrallah in Lebanon.
Watch and read and ask yourselves why universities are permitting these groups to bring their hatred – not desire for peace or love of peace, but hatred and desire for destruction of Israel – to their campuses.
Transcript:
MSA member: Good evening, I just wanted to say thank you for coming to campus tonight and presenting your point of view, its always important to have to sets of, ah, views going on at the same time. Um, very useful. My name is [Jimena Imad Musa Ahmal Bahiri](sp) and I’m a student here at UCSD. Ah I was reading your literature, I found that much more interesting than your talk, and I found some interesting things about the MSA, which is an organization that is very active on campus and is hosting our annual “Hitler Youth†week, you should come out to those events. [DS: Horowitz had referred to the MSA’s week as a Hitler Youth week.] Um, if you could clarify the connection between the MSA and Jihad terrorist networks, because last time I checked, we had to do our own fundraising, and we never get help from anyone. So if you could clarify the connection between UCSD’s MSA or if you don’t have such information, if you could connect other MSA’s on UC’s, because the connection wasn’t to clear in the pamphlet, just if you could clarify.
Horowitz: Okay. Will you condemn Hamas, here and now?MSA member: I’m sorry, what?
Horowitz: Will you condemn Hamas?
MSA member: Would I condemn Hamas?
Horowitz: As a terrorist organization. Genocidal organization.
MSA member: Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?
Horowitz: So you won’t. I have actually had this experience many times. You didn’t actually read the pamphlet, because the pamphlet is chapter and verse. The main connection is that the MSA is part of the Muslim Brotherhood Network as revealed…
MSA member: I don’t think you understood what I meant by that. I meant if I say something, I am sure that I will be arrested, for reasons of homeland security. So if you could please just answer my question.
Horowitz: If you condemn Hamas, Homeland Security will arrest you?
MSA member: If I support Hamas, because your question forces me to condemn Hamas. If I support Hamas, I look really bad.
Horowitz: If you don’t condemn Hamas, obviously you support it. Case closed. I have had this experience at UC Santa Barbara, where there were 50 members of the Muslim Students Association sitting right in the rows there. And throughout my hour talk I kept asking them, will you condemn Hizbollah and Hamas. And none of them would. And then when the question period came, the president of the Muslim Students Association was the first person to ask a question. And I said, ‘Before you start, will you condemn Hizbollah?’ And he said, ‘Well, that question is too complicated for a yes or no answer.’ So I said, ‘Okay, I’ll put it to you this way. I am a Jew. The head of Hizbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn’t have to hunt us down globally. For or Against it?
MSA member: For it.
Horowitz: Thank you for coming and showing everybody what’s here.
Yup, she’s for it.
Hat tip to Atlas Shrugs.
UPDATE May 15:
According to this editorial, the UCSD Student Association gave $40,000 to support anti-Israel activities (I was only able to find $31,700 in the documents – but still these people got $31,700 from the student association to make Jewish students on campus feel like dirt?) Not only that, but
“Co-sponsoring the events were UCSD’s Departments of Literature, Visual Arts, and Ethnic Studies, along with its entire Thurgood Marshall College.”
Those departments and UCSD’s leadership should be proud of what they’re supporting, as the video above reveals (as if anybody needs the video to know what these apartheid weeks are bringing to their campuses). How on earth can an entire department or college be supportive of activities like this? How are their students who support Israel supposed to feel?
UPDATE 2: The MSA has sent out a press release sorta and kinda distancing themselves from this student’s statement, except they don’t specifically mention the student and they use all kinds of cute language to make a political point instead of simply rejecting what is unacceptable. MSA members should know that half-baked explanations dressed up with more political rhetoric don’t really express an unequivocal rejection of this student’s endorsement of genocide, particularly because the suspicion already exists that behind all of these anti-Israel fests, lies severe hostility to Israel and, yes, to Jews (unless they’re of the variety that supports the MSA and MSU activities, in which case they’re useful).
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UPDATE May 15:
According to this editorial, the UCSD Student Association gave $40,000 to support anti-Israel activities (I was only able to find $31,700 in the documents – but still, these people got $31,700 from the student association to make Jewish students on campus feel like dirt?) Not only that, but
Those departments and UCSD’s leadership should be proud of what they’re supporting, as the video above reveals (as if anybody needs the video to know what these apartheid weeks are bringing to their campuses). How on earth can an entire department or college be supportive of activities like this? How are their students who support Israel supposed to feel?
Apparently, the Ethnic Studies department at UCSD reacts differently when different groups come under fire:
http://sdjewishjournal.com/site/29/footnotes/
well – the universities need to step in and STOP THEM!!
Its nothing but a BIGOTED HATE BASH trying to disguise itself as a “politically correct” event!
I mean COME ON!! Gimme a BREAK!! its SOOOO politically CORRECT to have HITLER in your rhetoric – right?? THAT is outright racist HATE SPEECH!!!
it makes me mad and I don’t understand why the ACLU won’t STEP UP and BRING SUIT to STOP this DISGUSTING CRAP!!
NO ONE should have to tolerate this sort of endorsement of such EVIL from an EVIL MAN in the jewish ppl’s history on a public campus!!
its no difference if a group got together to say they were protesting the reverse racism in society and protesting it with PRO KKK SLOGANS!!!
Its NOT RIGHT and the UNIVERSITIES SHOULD STOP IT!! Its an islamofascist nazi-type mentality espousing doctrines of hatred!!
I guess they WILL NOT stop it until someone takes them to court over it! They will put a stop to it if it garners BAD PUBLICITY NATIONALLY!
PLUS – hit ‘um where it counts – in their WALLET paying for their LAWYERS!!
Then again, I just googled some stuff and it turns out UCSD has a major anti-Israel thing going on. Here’s one blog that covers it – or at least their pictures do:
http://muslamics.blogspot.com/2008/04/no-you-forget-msa-ucsd-is-most.html
Well, to be fair to UC Irvine, they have years and years of experience in showing their hatred towards Israel and “Zionists,” while at UC San Diego, we’ve only seen this video and the recent attempt to pass the divestment resolution against two defense companies. I may have taken some artistic license in comparing the two in the title, but outwardly at least, despite one student from the UCSD MSA openly advocating genocide against the Jews, I think it’s obvious the UC Irvine’s MSU has been way more aggressive than UC San Diego’s MSA.
Then again, I think every university that hosts an “Israel Apartheid Week” should understand the intense discomfort this week and its activities cause to many Jewish students on campus. I don’t think you have to be affiliated with a Zionist group to feel the hatred emanating from these activities, and at least in my experience of watching the events at UC Irvine, there is a tremendous amount of misinformation and manipulation of information that depicts Israel in a horrid light without any context and almost always with an omission of many of the relevant facts about the conflict.
Universities should think long and hard – and they don’t – about the implications of these events for one segment of their population that feels implicated in the crimes described by a partisan group whose goals are almost never in line with a peaceful resolution of the conflict that leaves Israel a Jewish state. It is a bash-fest and the people left holding the bag are not the Israeli government or Israelis, but the Jewish students (except for the leftist ones who have bonded in an unholy union with the Islamists) on campus. Other Israel supporters are also affected, but I think the Jewish kids, in particular, have to bear the brunt because, of course, Israel is a Jewish state.
We co-sponsored Horowitz’s speech. I think the difference between UCI and UCSD is that there is a larger coalition fighting back here. It was chilling to be in the room when she said “For it.” For all you doubters, who say she was “tricked” or whatever, you should have seen her face when she said it.
I DID see it – and it was SICKENING!
And everyone can see it too if they want – just go on youtube. Shes right up front and center. No confusion there WHAT SO EVER!
And u mean to say the Student REPUBLICANS sponsored Horowitz in his DEFENSE of the Jewish ppl and Israel??!
So i know this is rather OT – but as an INDEPENDANT – can anyone explain to me why the Jewish demographic in the U.S. usually vote democrat?!
And I apologize its OT – BUT – if anyone would like to chime in on THAT subject – then while we’re on it – lemme just ask – how can ANY jewish ppl EVER AGAIN VOTE for a party that in its very own CONVENTION said they were taking OUT of its platform creeds the references to G-D and ISRAEL?!!
Im sorry, I don’t mean to insult – just help me understand here – bc as an Independant I ALWAYS vote the candidate NOT the party; but watching that and hearing the “BOOs” that the floor vote SO OBVIOULSY leaned towards in “YEA” to pass it – I WAS FLIPPED!! I was SO SADDENED by that!!
and then seeing some guy with a sign that said “ARAB AMERICAN DEMOCRAT” jumping up and down screaming “BOOOO!!” to the vote –
it TOTALLY DISGUSTED ME!!
I saw NO differnce between THAT BIGOT and a big fat sweaty white BIGOT in 50’s america jumping up and down and screaming against the civil rights movement!!! or standing in white robes screaming hatred about the black AND the jew at the foot of a BURNING CROSS!
It IS the SAME!! and it was the **ONE** deciding factor to cast my vote for the other side this time and for me THIS TIME it wasnt about the candidate – but for the first time EVER I felt like I COULD NOT vote for ANY PARTY that would entertain that sort of BIGOTED HATRED and try to undermine our commitment to our friends in the middle east!
I like alot that obama has done and i DO think we need SOME sort of heathcare – but I dont WANT to be associated with a party that has a bunch of BIGOTS jumping up and down screaming against jewish ppl and the right of Israel to BE IN PEACE! Cause I KNOW that “arab american democrat” wasnt screaming BOO to vote it down bc he had a problem with G-D being mentioned!
WHAT A BIGOT and what a BIGOTED ATTITUDE that was there on that floor!!
It DISGUSTED me SO MUCH that I don’t think I can EVER vote Dem again!!
As I said I really like some things Obama is trying to do – but one things for SURE!
I think me and a MILLION MORE like me are gonna be watching to see how he treats Netanyahu and if he EVEN GOES to Israel this time! You would have THOUGHT that when he went to EGYPT he would have at LEAST WENT THEN! I mean COME ON!! its like a half hour by plane!! Was there some sort of intentional INSULT there by NOT going…??
I don’t know – but if he doesn’t go THIS TIME he’s in office, then 4 REAL – its NOT gonna be cool!!!
look,
i know what horowitz did…im saying that i dont like the tact.
its a give that she is a jew hater.
she attempts to egg him on with the comment about hitler youth…i can take all her comments in the same fashion
what horowitz does is akin to bill oreilley asking a guest who is against the iraq war…why do you hate america?
this is just a bad ploy
i would prefer a discussion on par with one of dershowitz’, when an arab attacks or questions him.
look, if i had been the woman, i could have easily shlugged up horowitz, using finkledicks lines.
“i support the political arm of hamas, as they are the duly elected representatives of the gazan people….mr horowitz, are you not a supporter of democracy?”
“hezbollah was created in 1982 to defend the lebanese people against the zionist agressors, who attacked their land…mr horowitz, do you not support the right of a people to defend itself and its land and to have secure borders?”
the above are bs statements and question…but if she were the least bit intelligent, she wouldve used them…and at least would have engaged horowitz in a discussion.
neither she nor horowitz were interested in having a discussion…they were interested in the show
Fair enough.
I still think what she said is astounding.
Are you INSANE???!
The question ”why do u hate america?” is a benign open ended question that is rehtorical in nature and meant to spin into some sort of “moral grey area” debative discussion leading them into the whole – “Oh you are unpatriotic and YOU hate! No YOU are unpatriotic and YOU hate” – sort of “spin doctor” stupidity!
The question he puts towards the girl is one where there IS NO moral “grey area” bc it is a question that is as FINAL in its SUPPORT to MURDER an ENTIRE people based on what they ARE, as Hitler was in his ”FINAL SOLUTION”!
There is NO DIFFERENCE in HER ANSWER and ATTITUDE and it’s AGREEMENT and condoning of – GENOCIDE – in HER MIND – than in HITLER’S!!
I MEAN COME ON!! That whole angle is not even COMPARABLE!!
To compare and say THAT frame of mind is a “jew hater” – is like saying ”oh the Democrats are Republican haters”!!
When you can stand there and say that you AGREE with the statement of a group of “nazi-type mentality” ISLAMOFASCISTS – then you have crossed the line of a “hater”…
no…if you, as a human being with a G-d given soul, can stand there and say that…
then the core of your very soul has twisted and warped into something EVIL….
No, Uncle, you’re misunderstanding. Horowitz says to the woman,
She passed on condemning or not condemning Hizbullah and Hamas and merely agreed to the idea of bunching up the Jews in one place so they can be hunted there more easily. All of them.
By the way, it’s much more difficult to get people to condemn Hamas and Hizbullah than you suggest.
As for Horowitz’s other politics, he can certainly be ham-handed.
lowkey is as good a rapper as finkeldick is a scholar.
btw, they also carry around a kid named jodie mcintyre, who has cp and likes to tell tall tales about what is happening in east jerusalem and the west bank. he fancies himself a journalist, but is just another propagandist from the ism.
i really dont like horowitz as he likes to bunch all liberals into one basket.
and getting someone to either condemn or not condemn hezbollah or hamas is no big deal.
UCSD’s MSA cannot hold a candle to UCI’s MSU. First of all – they are merely copying the programs that UCI brought.
Secondly, this lady is NOT the head of her MSA, just a foolish, ignorant, and apparently racist women with little life experience.
I am sad to see that our predictions that this will get worse are coming true.